tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.comments2023-07-26T03:47:25.448-07:00The Secret Life of a Pastor's WifePam Terrellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01199391569410679545noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-30686558445639666372016-10-21T16:07:00.912-07:002016-10-21T16:07:00.912-07:00All of the homework can make me feel "less-th...All of the homework can make me feel "less-than", but I'm very sensitive that way. It requires a huge commitment. I have done studies by others (Experiencing God) that are similar. God bless you; your heart shines through your posts. <3<br />Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480063159668959168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-92185353125858393622016-10-18T02:57:37.911-07:002016-10-18T02:57:37.911-07:00I personally love yoga pants and leggings as my wo...I personally love yoga pants and leggings as my <a href="http://www.carbon38.com/shop-all-activewear" rel="nofollow">workout clothing</a>. For me, these are truly wonderful options which are comfortable but one needs to follow guidelines while buying this kind of stuff. I always make sure that fabric is high quality and no-see through. Thanks for this post.Groomyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04636811880940056663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-81776957224001336402014-09-14T18:08:26.409-07:002014-09-14T18:08:26.409-07:00My group has been quite successful with Beth Moore...My group has been quite successful with Beth Moore studies (We love Priscilla Shirer too), but we have had to work around the "suggested" programs - those don't work for us even here in our southern area. We do our prayer time and video one week - then the next week do our prayer time and discussion. That allows the participants a full 2 weeks to do the homework. Most of our group gets it all done - though we always allow lots of grace for life challenges. <br /><br />I have been in groups that did the "suggested" one lesson a week. They were very difficult. Most people did very little of the workbooks (if any at all). The prayer times were 20 min. of "requests" and 2 minutes of prayer. The discussion was about 10 minutes of nothing useful. I would leave BM too if I had to endure that type of study. <br /><br />We have found the discussion critical to our group really being able to get to the meat of the study. And we don't always agree with the presented teaching. It forces us to evaluate what we believe and why we believe it. Then again, we have had much light shed on difficult portions of Scripture and had it come alive in ways we had never seen before. We foster an atmosphere that allows questions and room for differences of opinion. In fact we represent a multicultural group - at least 4 different countries are represented, and even more denominations - in just our little group of less than 20 people. Our ages span from teens to elderly. We are a close group, respectful of our differences, but extremely close in our love of God. <br /><br />We do co-teaching with 2 group leaders. So with a schedule that does alternating DVD and discussion no one leader ever has to do deep preparation more that once every 4 weeks. The leader prep is key to guiding our members into more than a surface study that just accepts every thing fed to us. And we have plenty of time for real prayer. Our group has seen many answers to prayer so it is always a priority. We meet for 2 hours. Usually half the time is for prayer requests and prayer (it is never a gossip fest - we do lots of actual praying), and half the time for the lesson - DVD or discussion - depending on the week. <br /><br />Just some ideas - take the tools (whatever ones you decide to use) and adapt them to fit the people you minister to - don't try to squash everyone into the same box. I am glad God isn't in a box! fourkidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16396302386295985290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-65737353517725355642014-09-14T04:46:11.758-07:002014-09-14T04:46:11.758-07:00I just returned from a Beth Moore Simulcast. I am ...I just returned from a Beth Moore Simulcast. I am Roman Catholic and from the east coast. I was invited by some coworkers and was really looking forward to it. What I came away with was a headache from her mania. The jargon was lost on me. The 'camp out here in this scripture' and the bless your hearts and girlfriends did nothing for me. I did not get anything from it, just an overall irritation. I had heard such wonderful things about her studies to say I was disappointed was an understatement. I appreciate your breakup as I never could get a relationship started! Can I get an amen. Marghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04654649346015242023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-53675068870088996192014-09-13T19:39:27.448-07:002014-09-13T19:39:27.448-07:00:)
Stumbled upon your blog and I am a fan! As a ...:) <br /><br />Stumbled upon your blog and I am a fan! As a Southern Baptist pastor's wife I too have been under the thrall of the Beth Moore daze. I've grown in certain areas from some of the studies I've done....let it be known I've pretty much done them all. Been to innumerable conferences, and I even met her once in Chicago while I was at a KidsMin conference.<br /><br />I have noticed in the past few years that I have stayed away from any video driven Bible studies for women. I've gravitated more towards general studies because I don't feel like I'm being coddled and wrapped up in the mind numbing "am I right girls!" mentality of the Beth Moore studies. <br /><br />I used to be pretty rabid about Beth....seriously it was crazy. Now, I just smile and nod when someone mentions a new study but as the Women's Ministry leader at my church I wont lead our women through another one. I just can't do it. <br /><br />Thank you for sharing and confirming my feelings. May our Savior bless you and keep you safe up there in Wisconsin!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14244106720875797936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-31131359823665537722014-09-11T08:05:24.500-07:002014-09-11T08:05:24.500-07:00Hi Pam!
I'm new coming across your blog, but I...Hi Pam!<br />I'm new coming across your blog, but I just wanted to thank you for your original post on Beth Moore. I'm from the East Coast, and by that, I mean NYC. So as much as Beth Moore doesn't go down well in the Midwest, it is LAUGHABLE in Manhattan. We can do the homework and stuff (such as ones from BSF or CBS studies), even amidst jobs such as ibanking, finance, marketing, consulting, etc. But Beth Moore is perhaps... is more fitted for the south, and it gets, quite honestly, obnoxious for us when we have to see the DVD (we eventually stop watching the DVDs, and just went through the scripture).<br /><br />I appreciate your honesty and your courage to post on how you felt! It does take a lot of courage, because it is like waging war with the many vocal quilting women who love her... (just saw your blog background).<br />I'm sure most southern women think we are terrible women, getting our PhDs, MDs, MBAs, while wearing our stilettos and suits, going to Tim Keller's church, or maybe a local church and trying to serve inner city, not the white picket fences of beautiful southern suburbs (fields?), when the "outreach" that is done is the "canned-food drive" at your kid's school. They probably think we all live like girls in Sex and the City. Btw, we don't.<br /><br />I came across your page when I was looking up / googling "Beth Moore in the South" because I met a couple of girls from Kentucky who are obsessed with her, and I've heard of her stuff a long long time ago, but have also written her off a long time ago, so was really surprised that any women, especially young women, would still be following her.<br /><br />(Btw, feel free to NOT publish this post, I just wanted to email you personally to tell you thanks. But couldn't figure out how to)<br /><br />Best of luck. Power on. Share your thoughts, they are helpful to Some, and those Some matter! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-79704657309124363622014-08-06T12:04:21.827-07:002014-08-06T12:04:21.827-07:00I can't help but wonder if a good portion of p...I can't help but wonder if a good portion of pastors are happy they can push off the instruction of women to such a neat and convenient resource. People today relate more to DVD's than person-to-person relationships. They can IMAGINE what it is to be in a real community without actually being too deeply involved. Such is the state of our culture. Realistically, though, God does not work with "one size fits all" methods. Each of us is molded by God as our lives and circumstances need. Some of us are more hardheaded than others, some too much of a soft touch. Frankly, the Lord wants to get each of us to the place where we want to be with HIM more than any other person or group. Yes, He wants us to love one another, but we can't begin to know genuine love before we joyously seek God daily due to the love and trust HE has shown us personally. This is why personal discipleship is so important; not METHODS! While we can learn much from hearing about other women's experiences, the takeaway from them all should be how it has brought them closer to trusting in God and in knowing how to love others. A constant diet of such "teachings" at the expense of your relationship with God and family is a telltale sign that you've devoted yourself to something OTHER than God Himself. We must pray that any who are stuck in the BM culture can get a wider perspective and keep any involvement with her teachings at a level which does not impede our primary responsibilities. Doreanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02624403687868088933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-54595116023199730932014-08-04T16:39:00.197-07:002014-08-04T16:39:00.197-07:00Pam, Are you going to keep writing? I found you w...Pam, Are you going to keep writing? I found you with the Beth Moore stuff but would love to still see you write! I hope it all didn't leave a bad taste in your mouth for keeping this blog up. Don't let them get you down! Keep going- share Christ, your way! <br />SueAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06513505329041930295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-72766802522806193172014-07-28T06:19:48.484-07:002014-07-28T06:19:48.484-07:00Hang on, Pam, I’m long-winded too! My main respon...Hang on, Pam, I’m long-winded too! My main response is, “Hang in there, sister!” The church is full of sinners who need healing. Take every opportunity you receive from each person to move them closer to grace as you walk in the stuff Jesus gets from people every day. <br /><br />Regarding the original post, as a Wisconsinite, I am just finishing up my first BM study with a group of women from my church. We had a lot of discussion around the message of each study and what we were learning. The last chapters of Breaking Free have helped me find a new strategy for forgiving a hurt from my childhood even though I’ve been walking with Christ for decades and have tried to figure out how to get rid of bitterness on this one issue from my the past. I can't recall any discussion about Beth's personality or mannerisms among us over the last several months. But I can say when I was a younger Christian, or maybe it was just as a younger person, and grappling a lot with gender stereotypes and the limitations that were put on me as female growing up in the sixties, a lot of Beth’s comments about the curlers, etc. would have burned me up. <br /><br />As for the reactions from people, I think that people are sensitive to other people’s feelings and reacted in fierceness to the extent that they themselves were sensitive on behalf of BM. If someone was fierce in defending Pam to the point of being hurtful to you, they are probably very early in the process of healing over things in their own lives. I agree it was very wrong to stomp on you over it! They probably need grace from you more than anything and a little more BM studying on grace. <br /><br />As for what to write in a blog, what you experienced reminds me of something I learned when I went to a Christian song writer’s conference. There was a huge emphasis on not writing a song that uses the second person pronoun to convict another. They said if someone wants to write a song about a fault in the church, they should write it in first person or third person. I thought of Darlene Zschech’s lyrics: “Sunday morning I say I want revival; Monday morning, I can’t even find my Bible.” It was an example of someone writing about herself as the songwriter’s way of challenging another. <br /><br />I think it is also true that comedians are coached that if they want to poke fun, poke it at themselves and not another. Since the art of stand-up comedy is further down the road than the art of blogging, the advice probably came from early comedians who experienced what you did when they did poke fun and maybe there will develop over time similar advice for blog writers. Of course, many comedians do make a big living out of poking fun at others as do bloggers. <br /><br />My summary is this: people, Christian or not, are sensitive creatures. Even light poking fun at another is hurtful for some to read, and some express their hurt hurtfully. So, if as a blogger, you want to poke a little for fun, just be ready for anything. Your sense that it was going to come means you know how we humans can overreact when we are hurt. If I were a blogger and wanted to avoid the possibility of stirring up others’ past hurts and in turn getting burned, and yet I wanted to write about someone that was getting under my skin, a useful approach might be to replace my subject’s name with that of my husband’s, pretend someone else wrote it, and keep writing until the result didn’t make me feel defensive for my husband. <br /><br />Thanks for reading!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14805171684209164455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-51547208286199031222014-06-17T11:58:26.357-07:002014-06-17T11:58:26.357-07:00I had never heard of your blog prior to this, but ...I had never heard of your blog prior to this, but I am a pastor's wife (in Wisconsin, from Alabama) and didn't really need to see Beth Moore studies to know that something was off--I saw the way women followed without questioning and knew that it couldn't be good. After researching, I found that I couldn't agree with her theologically (I appreciate the post prior to mine about the lady that tried the Esther study--truth there!). My husband and I decided that our stand would be not to endorse Beth Moore due to theological differences, not personal preferences. While we certainly haven't made it a point to say anything negative about her as a person, when her studies come up, we let the person know that our church doesn't endorse and we tell why. Having said all this, when my sister was going through a particular difficult time in her life (marriage/divorce/etc.) she wrote to Beth Moore about how a book of hers had helped. Beth wrote back a personal letter of encouragement to my sister. Maybe we should follow that example and encourage others, while watching what we're allowing into our churches and homes on a scriptural level? Cruel and combative responses are neither classy nor Biblically-based.Uptown Froghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05727506778908514962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-78697407742881827842014-06-03T10:16:40.739-07:002014-06-03T10:16:40.739-07:00Hello,I came across your blog last night and found...Hello,I came across your blog last night and found it very interesting. I have NEVER been a Beth Moore fan...and it only took one study of hers to make me not want to use her studies. I am a messianic Rebbetzin and I had heard so much about Beth Moore.....ALL AMAZING!! SO, I decided to use her study on Ester.....she is after all big with my people and so I thought, "What a wonderful opportunity!" Sadly the study was so far off theologically....It was very clear to us that she was just coming up with her own opinions and some it seemed sort of fairy tale like. There was no way I could use it and after that had no desire to trust any of her other studies. Now, I'm not saying she is off on all of them but she sure was when it came to the story of one of our leading ladies. I think what kind of concerned me is how I saw Christian woman just eat up EVERYTHING she had to say without question.... As Jews we always question and discuss. Sometimes that can be very hard on a leader but at least we know none of us will be following the blind without a great deal of thought , study and debate. AND we are always willing to change our mind if you can prove your point. We should always be able to challenge, this is how we grow and change. Does not Yeshua (Jesus) challenge us daily?? Did he not challenge his disciples and did THEY not challenge the religious leaders of their day?? Thank Goodness they did! Where would we be had they not?? I am sorry you experienced such back lash from what, I thought, was some very valid points. Not everyone is for everybody..... I am proud of you that you had the courage to speak up and speak your heart. I must confess when I decided that Beth Moore was not for us, there was that part of me that thought.."Should I go into hiding???" Keep strong! Continue to challenge and also grow from being challenged..... You have this Rebbetzins admiration, support and respect! <br /><br />Rebbetzin Rivkah PanzettaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18032064888039814448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-63767902870191978992014-06-02T19:47:29.528-07:002014-06-02T19:47:29.528-07:00The thing that bothered me most of the BM devotees...The thing that bothered me most of the BM devotees is just that: Their devotion seems tied to the phenomenon of personality. I keep my mouth shut. The ladies at my church love it. It's so easy to pop a DVD in and let the DVD player and the curriculum do all the heavy lifting. I don't think most pastors have sat down and gone through one of her studies; and if they would, I hope they wouldn't give her a doctrinal pass simply because she is female. I think, culturally speaking, they'd just as soon leave the little womenfolk alone. emccardelnychttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16154839562459603105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-20488305986457105252014-05-18T02:12:51.596-07:002014-05-18T02:12:51.596-07:00I am a PW, I did not ready your initial post about...I am a PW, I did not ready your initial post about the BM subject but I would have to say reading your statements on this post. I agree with you. I also separated my self from the BM following YEARS ago before PW life. I felt it was all fluff and I wanted to get into meat and potatoes. The ladies in my church often suggest the latest and greatest BM study...We never seem to get to it ;-) Anyway. I like you style I love that you are from my home state (I know live in MI, but and from WI). I think I will add your blog to my must read list. Like I said I am a fellow PW, I love your honesty! Rachaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00393337063852241063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-8470819953771820162014-05-17T17:42:40.751-07:002014-05-17T17:42:40.751-07:00Your keen eye brings grace to the mundane and find...Your keen eye brings grace to the mundane and finds a lesson for us all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05941580326600028097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-51899673212787298632014-05-07T16:35:49.678-07:002014-05-07T16:35:49.678-07:00I'll check your blog out Sue. :)I'll check your blog out Sue. :) Crittershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936616623331012387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-49097702181137547302014-05-07T07:24:25.264-07:002014-05-07T07:24:25.264-07:00Pam, Thanks for stepping out to write your break ...Pam, Thanks for stepping out to write your break up with Beth Moore and about your response to that. I was hunting on the internet for someone who maybe felt the same as me about Beth Moore. I have enjoyed her studies and I have led many of them but I have also tried to steer the women of my church away from her a little because of the idol worship that was happening. We just completed a full year of bible study without Beth and I was so happy. My group of women because of that diminished from 120 women to 60 because we weren't doing Beth Moore. I had women actually tell me that they would not do a study unless it was a Beth Moore! It completely broke my heart because they are not following Jesus at all but an ordinary woman named Beth Moore. I am slightly heart broken because my co-leader wants to of course do the new Beth study that came out in the fall. I am trying to find peace in the midst of that and that is why I was seeking out someone else with similar thoughts on the Beth Moore worship going on. Beth has done a lot of good but if we don't try to break up with her a little we will be harvesting some rotten fruit that is worshiping an idol instead of Jesus. For what it is worth, I appreciate you writing what you have. May God bless you and my prayers are for Beth too. I hope she addresses this toxic worship of her soon. <br />Your sister in Christ, <br />Sue<br />Not trying to promote myself but just so you know, I write a blog too. It just is simply about Christ, not real edited or even close to perfect, nor will it ever be but just what I am learning at the feet of Jesus. For what its worth... www.ontheottoman.com Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06513505329041930295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-70528783625697644142014-04-28T09:55:43.989-07:002014-04-28T09:55:43.989-07:00http://carm.org/beth-moore
A good write up on Bet...http://carm.org/beth-moore<br /><br />A good write up on Beth Moore. Truth is what matters. There are many truth"y" ministries , but is a partial truth really true? Thank you for your blog, I understand why many attack you. Anytime you speak up against doctrine or other teachers there will always be those that think people should be left to there own opinions and truths. Thank you for your Godly approach to your discernment with BM.<br /><br />-Dan (just created an AIM account to post this)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-43197983390253160982014-04-16T16:03:32.250-07:002014-04-16T16:03:32.250-07:00I only attended one Beth Moore Study. I was distur...I only attended one Beth Moore Study. I was disturbed by her misinterpretation of Scripture. No one agreed with me, and I dropped out midway. I am puzzled by her popularity as a Bible teacher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-63751976881993433062014-04-16T11:12:26.443-07:002014-04-16T11:12:26.443-07:00This is so sad on many different levels. This who...This is so sad on many different levels. This whole "blogging" thing has such power, doesn't it? Talk about bringing out things in people that should stay private. I am so sorry that you were attacked by so many and that those who did so come across as hypocrites to non-believers. What must they think of us as a whole now? I pray that those who steer away from Beth's studies due to your comments keep searching and find another study to help them to learn. As long as they are in The Word, that is all that matters. And I am sure that Beth would agree to that, she is a genuine person who desires to further Christ's Kingdom. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11182994074570933411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-79376449269833747112014-04-09T06:57:41.384-07:002014-04-09T06:57:41.384-07:00Beautiful piece, just what I needed todayBeautiful piece, just what I needed todayAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00914741228136969693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-52657492605087605712014-04-05T07:32:58.479-07:002014-04-05T07:32:58.479-07:00Wow, thanks so much for the blog post, Pam. I'...Wow, thanks so much for the blog post, Pam. I've never been a BM groupie, and never will be. Having read several of her books - most recently, "When Godly People do Ungodly Things", I truly don't understand how millions of women flock to her studies and adore her. Not only is this book essentially about Satan, the incidences of "I, me, myself, mine" occur so often, one wonders if it's not the "Gospel According to Beth Moore". Not only that, reading with an eye toward how often the phrases, "I believe", "May I suggest", and "I think" show up with no biblical follow-up is crazy. Furthermore, she's constantly yanking the rope from Old Covenant to New Covenant. Is it really the grace of God that will heal and restore me? Or do I I I I I I have to do all these things with everything that is in ME to be healed and restored? It's very confusing, and God is not the author of confusion. It's not an opening up of the Word of God - let's just tell the story of Beth Moore with a little jesus thrown in. That just will never cut it. Pam, thanks for your courage. May you be blessed for exposing this incompetence (at best!) and false teaching (at worst).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06473850859406339337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-80780971198291390462014-04-03T06:24:30.165-07:002014-04-03T06:24:30.165-07:00WOW! I stumbled across your blog as well, and I am...WOW! I stumbled across your blog as well, and I am also a blogger (SonRiseInsights.blogspot.com). The thing about blogs that people need to understand is that it's, as you called it, your living room. It belongs to you and last I checked, we live in a county that still encourages free speech. We are entitled to write anything we want to because it's our blog. It's why I love blogging. There are no restrictions; no one can tell us that it does or does not conform to policy. I thought your blog was great. It was humorous and I didn't get the feeling that you were trying to influence anyone; just stating your opinion and some Mid-Western facts. I can totally see these women sitting in your living room (the real one) and not laughing at her girly humor. Sometimes it's a bit much for me too. But I think her teachings are great. Like everything else in this world, not everything is for everyone. That's why there are options. Before we point fingers we ought to notice the two pointing back at ourselves. And it really irks me when people tell others what they "should" do. Really? When did you become the boss of me? I'm going to subscribe to your blog; I'm not a PW, but I love your honesty and humor ...I just blogged about Taking a Pass on Passing Judgment the other day. Glad that you're following through with this and not avoiding the comments. Good for you!Mary Dolan Flahertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05739724561596823855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-83619319347900478882014-03-25T19:40:23.772-07:002014-03-25T19:40:23.772-07:00Leslie, my thoughts exactly about the MIL — I thin...Leslie, my thoughts exactly about the MIL — I think she was looking for excuses not to go and would've looked for another one eventually.<br /><br />Pam, I read your original post today for the first time which garnered and quite frankly I didn't see anything offensive or wrong about it. In fact I thought your points were valid and simple. Last I checked, it's still a free country and you're allowed to have an opinion about Beth Moore and so am I. Don't let the naysayers throw you. :) Simply Keeping Homehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12567198229455289643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-59951447912633710882014-03-20T19:47:15.479-07:002014-03-20T19:47:15.479-07:00Beth Moore needs to curb her coffee intake. I kno...Beth Moore needs to curb her coffee intake. I know she has her fans, and God bless her for her passion for the Word. But she leaves me jittery. Crittershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936616623331012387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153308850971363556.post-27529014540117097762014-03-14T12:04:14.808-07:002014-03-14T12:04:14.808-07:00Pam, I just have one question--whether or not I ag...Pam, I just have one question--whether or not I agree with you is irrelevant. I'm inquiring what, especially as a pastor's wife, were you trying to accomplish with these blogs slamming Beth Moore?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15326203873288698435noreply@blogger.com